49: Healing Beyond the Surface: Supporting Complex Nervous Systems with SSP and RRP With Carol Ann Brayley

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Narrator

Hello and welcome to Cherie Lindberg's Elevated Life Academy. Stories of hope and healing. Through raw and heartfelt conversations, we uncover the powerful tools and strategies these individuals use to not only heal themselves, but also inspire those around them. Join us on this incredible journey as we discover the human spirit's remarkable capacity to heal, find hope in the darkest of moments, and ultimately live an elevated life.

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Cherie Lindberg

Welcome, everyone, to another episode of Elevated Life Academy, and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg. And we have Carol Anne with us today. I'm going to let her introduce herself, but I want you to think about all the different methods we've talked about in the podcast for healing and for life transformation. And today, Carol Anne is going to talk to us about Safe and Sound protocol and rest and restore protocol.

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Cherie Lindberg

So this should be a fascinating conversation, how frequency can shift and help us transform. So please, Carol Anne, tell us a little bit about yourself and then let's get started with lots of questions and talking about these great modalities.

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Carol Ann Brayley

periencing practitioner since: 2015

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's part of my own background, and I always say the universe is my case manager, so it brings the people that I can help the most and the people that I kind of resonate with the most. And so when you do that kind of work, like the first ten years of my career, I worked at McMaster Hospital in Hamilton, working predominantly in the sexual assault and domestic violence center.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And even there I got like the caseload, who was it was kind of random how it was divvied up, but I would always end up with the people with the most severe, complex trauma, working with people with the ID and things like that. And so when you do that kind of work, you really it's pretty soul destroying. If you're not working with really excellent modalities.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So I've always looked for the things that are going to move things the most, the work that will be more gentle where you can see more rapid results. So the list of trainings I've done is fairly staggering. There's lots of eMDR and energy psychology and, you know, neurofeedback, energy medicine. Like there's really, really a lot. And so yeah, and part of it also to be honest with me looking for what would help me the most or what's going to move my stuff, and some of the issues that I had were really helped by some things, but not by other things.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Traditional talk therapy actually was making things a whole lot worse, because even though I was working with people who built themselves as trauma specialists and they didn't know a lot about trauma, but they didn't know how to incorporate, incorporate physiology into treatment. And unfortunately, what happens then when we're helping people to process trauma without working with the nervous system, is they get more and more flooded and they get more and more destabilized.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And so I would actually refer to therapy as my self-harming behavior. As I said, I just keep getting worst. And the therapist would say, oh, that's normal. That's the nature of severe trauma. When we heal what's been dissociated, then, you know, it's it's really painful. But it was really awful. Like my life kind of came apart. And so it wasn't until finding Somatic Experiencing, I noticed shifts like right away from the first session.

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Carol Ann Brayley

I got into neurofeedback and: 2019

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Carol Ann Brayley

So it's just been this incredible journey where it's just kind of expanded more and more, and it just brings me so much joy and gratification. Getting to watch people really move rapidly and feel better really rapidly without having to go through what I went through.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. So let's describe for those folks that maybe this might be the first time that they're ever even hearing about safe and sound. So let's let's break it down to let's start with safe and sound. And then we'll do rest and restore.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So safe and sound protocol is something that was created by Stephen Porges, who is the founder of poly vagal theory, which is basically really advanced sophisticated knowledge on how the brain and the nervous system work with, and especially in relation to trauma. But really, almost every single thing that brings someone into therapy, or often even medical settings has at its root a dysregulated nervous system.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And this is where, you know, working in other ways is really advantageous because we can't talk ourselves in or out of nervous system dysregulation. We have to work with physiology. So with SSP it's five hours. The main protocol, SSP core, involves listening to five hours of specially filtered music and something about how the music has been filtered causes the muscles of the middle ear to work really hard during listening.

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Carol Ann Brayley

As the muscles become fatigued, there's a ripple effect throughout our physiology, because the vagus nerve connects with the middle ear, and the vagus nerve travels to all of our major organs. SSP also does things like it helps to kind of retrain the amygdala, what types of sound to focus on. So less over focusing on the sounds of danger and more focusing on the sounds of human speech.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It also stimulates social engagement systems and causes us to want to reach out and to connect with others.

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Cherie Lindberg

Okay. And then it was just in the last year or two years now with our AAP.

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Carol Ann Brayley

it to providers last December: 2024

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Carol Ann Brayley

The first half hour is basically unfiltered introductory music. That, and to help our nervous system feel familiar with the music before we receive the filtering, because the nervous system feels more comfortable with what it knows. So our RPO also was created by Steven Porges in connection with Anthony Gorey, who is a composer, and how Doctor Porges talks about the difference between SSP and ARP is SSP causes us, he says.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's kind of akin to a mother's lullaby and causes us to want to reach out and connect with other. R.P. is akin to being gently rocked by a mother and encourages us to connect within ourselves. So it kind of brings us into our body, and it's really great for for a whole long list of things just like SSP is, but especially people who are kind of disconnected from physiology.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So often people who've been through trauma, people who are on the spectrum and people are just kind of numb and disconnected. And yeah, and it's with either modality, there's a lot of commonality between the different improvements. Either one of them can have some improvements we consider to be more likely with one approach versus the other. Because our ARP is pretty new, we're still learning about what all of the areas of improvement are, and so there's a bit of a process to go through in deciding where to begin with someone.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's really incredible using them, because it kind of feels like magic. The improvements show up, they're relatively effortless, and often the person doesn't even notice them at first themselves. So it's it's starting the process of that, watching and waiting to see what appears.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Now please correct me if I'm wrong. The original research and music, if I'm not mistaken, was working with children that were autistic and that it really helped them not have meltdowns, be able to socially engage more. And then curiosity came about, I wonder if this would help people that have trauma. So a little bit about that.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It was safe and sound protocol, and I didn't know this until I was listening to I'm really bad with book title, so don't remember the title of the book, but there's a book that Stephen Porges coauthored with his son, Seth, and he talked in that about political theory generally, but also talked about SSP a little bit. And he said that when he created SSP, he actually had no idea at all how much it was going to do for people.

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Carol Ann Brayley

He felt it would help with sound sensitivity, and it does that extremely well. And the intention was that it would help little kids on the spectrum to want to reach out and connect. So he was really surprised once it was kind of released into the wild, and clinicians were telling him all the different things he was seeing, and I have a handout that I've created that I'll send to clients.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's something that providers can purchase. Also, where they can see the long list of areas that we are where that SSP can potentially influence. And when you read it, it kind of sounds like snake oil. And I'll tell people that just just kind of naming it because it's like, oh, it could help your bladder, it can help your bowel issues, it can help your anxiety and your depression and your sound sensitivity and your digestion and and your chronic pain and it just goes on and on.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But when you understand the vagus nerve and sometimes I will ascend them like an image of that showing how it travels throughout our physiology, then it makes a lot more sense. So yeah. So that in the early stages he didn't really know. And to an extent like we're learning more and more, but we're still at the beginning with our ercp and learning about it.

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Cherie Lindberg

Okay. We'll now share more about the unique cases that you work with.

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Carol Ann Brayley

I always say my SSP world is a little different for many providers. People seek me out due to the level of complexity that they have. I've become very internationally known. I've worked with clients on pretty much every content, and when I look at my website statistics, I'm in Canada and I think it's something like 8% of the traffic comes from Canada.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But people usually come to me with a really long list of diagnoses, and it's usually a combination of complex physical health conditions and often mental health conditions as well, that usually have severe trauma, highly sensitive. And so that's just normal for for me, it's again, this big long list of different concerns that people are dealing with. And so with both SSP and RPA, it can sound really deceptively simple.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Like when providers newly graduate the trainings they feel like this is going to be really easy and sometimes it really is. It really just depends on the demographic that you work with. But there is both an art and a science to delivering them, so either of them can feel kind of like a miracle in terms of what happens with them.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But if someone goes too quickly with them, it can be a little bit like lighting a match to gasoline. And the more complex someone is, the more care they need to take in who they choose as a provider. But yeah, so some of the people the current recommendation for I think either approach actually is, it's not as clear with RPA, but with SSP is up to 30 minutes of filtered music per day.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But the caveat is, as long as that's going well, we ideally don't use either approach just as a formula. Oh, just listen to this amount. We want to titrate it to the individual nervous system. And so dysregulation can build with either. If someone goes too quickly and most of the time they will still have improvements anyways. But it can get really really uncomfortable.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And that's to the point that sometimes people will be afraid to continue and maybe shouldn't continue if they're working with someone who doesn't know how to address that. Some of the people that I see, they might be able to listen for a few minutes at a time. But some of my clients and it sounds crazy, but even listening to, you know, 2 to 5 seconds at a time, I might see a very dramatic response.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And it's not there's no delay when that happens. It's instantly kind of when the music stops there. Whoa, I feel better. I know sometimes it is the next day or a few hours later, but it's it's it just feels kind of extra magical with SSP, especially because I know it's so much better. It feels like I'm watching the nervous system dance with the music really highly sensitive, complex people.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's like I can see the impact that each individual second makes.

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Cherie Lindberg

Wow. Well, do you have a particular case that you would like to you had shared earlier that maybe there was a really outstanding case that you wanted to share, just to kind of demonstrate the effectiveness?

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Carol Ann Brayley

very first SSP client back in: 2019

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Carol Ann Brayley

r first round, it was back in: 2019

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Carol Ann Brayley

And anxiety improved, her depression improved. She also had miss a folia, which is misophonia is a very severe sound sensitivity. Where it's the fixed sounds, it triggers an intense emotional response. It's usually either anxiety or rage. And so.

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Cherie Lindberg

We.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Didn't know at first if her misophonia had resolved or improved or not, because she was on a medical leave and she lived alone, so she had control of her environment. A few weeks after we finished that first round, she went for brunch with a friend and there was a three year old in the restaurant that was kind of screaming, and the parents weren't doing a lot, and she was so shocked by how little it affected her, she said.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Before SSP, she would have had to. She'd already ordered and she would have had to say she needed her food to go. She would have left and it would have ruined the whole rest of her day and possibly the next day as well. As it was, not only was she able to stay, she was able to actually enjoy the time with her friend.

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Carol Ann Brayley

As she said, if she focused on this, the noise of the three year old, it was annoying, but the difference was she could choose not to focus on it. So with misophonia you don't have a choice. Normally you're just completely hijacked. And so that was really cool. She had mild improvements with auditory processing disorder. She is very neurodivergent.

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Carol Ann Brayley

nd round of SSP, I believe in: 2023

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Carol Ann Brayley

the pandemic. But she also had been through, cancer diagnosis. She'd been through chemo and radiation and invasive surgeries and traumas and losses and all the things. So that she needed to go a lot more slowly made sense. But she had the same pattern in which the first four hours were not overly complex for her. The first time she could listen to them, I think about 45 minutes at a time the second round, and it was like a few to several minutes at a time in both rounds.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Hour five was the most the one she had to go the slowest on for it to stage the first round. It was more like she could do half an hour at a time. The second round even 30s of our five was way too intense for her, to the point that she became afraid to continue. And I said to her, you can absolutely stop at any time.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Choice is so important, especially with trauma. You're in the driver's seat. But just know when I see someone having that intense response, what it tells me is that when we get titration right, the improvements are just going to be out of this world. She still, she didn't want to continue, but what happened was she kind of got stuck in the dysregulation, which is something that, you know, it wouldn't go on forever.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But for some people, it could go on for a week or two or sometimes a little bit more. And that's one of the other things that I'm really known for is I kind of intuitively came to using something that I call the mini reset. I teach providers how to do this in advanced training that I offer, but we basically use a very tiny amount of the music to help get someone out of dysregulation.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And so I said to her, if you use just try just like two seconds and let's see what happened. But I think it will bring you right out of it. She was still too afraid to try it until another couple of weeks went by, and then she was just desperate enough. Boom! She immediately felt better. And then she got really curious and she kept going.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Hour five. She listened to 2 to 5 seconds at a time and saw a huge improvement. So in her attachment style, which, you know, normally that work takes decades, right? And just overall regulation and stressful things would happen. It would roll right off of her. Even on the first round of SSP, the transformations were so significant that and I had the same experience myself, that it was almost like a whole identity shift idea to do something would come up and you think, oh, I don't want to do that.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And then he'd be like, or do I? Because you don't know anymore what you like or what you don't. So her first round of SSP, she had she worked in two different offices. One of the offices was a lot busier, basically more people. So she used to avoid that one as she would work at the other one because she didn't like to be around the people.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But after that first round of SSP, she preferred working with the people because she had the urge to connect. So yeah, so I'm at second round it. She only ever ended up doing, I think, about 15 minutes of our five and then just kind of dropped off with it. But the improvements were so staggering and we knew for sure it was from that specific hour, because it had been several months by that point since she had listened to the first four hours.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Then when the pilot study for RFP came up, I thought of her right away and said, would you like to try this? And it was really cool because my very first SSP client became my very first RPE client. And that really like coming full circle. And so with AAP, also, she had incredible shifts because it was right at the start of the pilot study and we knew for sure things like sleep and digestion would improve, but we didn't really know a lot of what else might improve.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So some of the improvements we didn't realize until later I had similar ones. So she has ADHD, I have ADHD. What I see in almost all of my clients is very dramatic improvements with executive functioning if they have ADHD, and for both her and I, we ended up needing to reduce our stimulant medication. As a result, it ended up being too high for me.

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Carol Ann Brayley

I actually came off of it for a while because even the lowest dose was too high, and I had previously been considered vastly under medicated 70mg of vyvanse per day. I do now take ten milligrams per day at least some of the time. I don't always need of the law, but yeah, with RPE again, a lot of improvements with regulation.

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Carol Ann Brayley

She also had very significant improvements with auditory processing, and I had a few people talk about that, that they noticed that pretty much right away. But yeah, it was really, really pretty dramatic. And it was interesting because I just she hasn't listened to either RPE or SSP for several months now, but the improvements have still held. So is dating online, which any of us who've done that know that's just so hard.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But she said something she noticed, and this is a really huge shift from her previous feelings with dating, is that she doesn't particularly focus that much on impressing the guy or, you know, she just feels so much more comfortable just being herself. You know, if they like me, great. If they don't, you know, too bad. So sad. And if someone just suddenly stops talking to her, just kind of rolls off of her.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Whereas before she would have been really upset and she's she's just not willing to put up her if things that aren't right for her.

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Cherie Lindberg

So really, what I'm hearing you say and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Caroline, is that by listening to this music, it sounds like the central nervous system gets re patterned.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Yeah, yeah. And so with SSP we say that we're delivering cues of safety to the nervous system. And so when when we feel unsafe in the world it's really not possible to heal. Whether it's physical or emotionally. It's so much more challenging because, you know, our amygdala is not smart if it believes there's threat around things like digestion is not a high priority, where we're not going to feel calm and settled.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And so there's just this whole wonderful ripple effect and something I also didn't know until listening to the book that Steven Porges coauthored with his son, Seth, is that when we feel unsafe, the shape of the ear canal actually changes. So how we perceive sound is different and so much more sense to me. Now I have a much better handle on why I get such amazing results for clients with Miss Sonia and with other sound sensitivities, because it literally changes how they hear sound and really sensory sensitivities.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Also improve is kind of like when the nervous system is all like tight. So many things can interpreted as threat. So and that kind of show up in all kinds of ways. A lot of people come to me with mast cell activation syndrome, where their physiology is now interpreting like food as threat or, you know, environmental substances as threat and having huge histamine responses.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And they do really well often with with SSP, although again, like really careful titration because they're complex.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. So in terms of the shifts that happen, can you talk more about it. Sounds like for some it's sustainable and it's hangs around. And then is there where you have to come back and do like a booster. How often do you have to listen to the music?

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's different for different people. So someone who's, you know, let's see if we have someone who is on the spectrum or they have a very chronic diagnosis like arthritis, for example, I often see very big improvements with their radius. Even one of my dogs I use SSP and are happy with with my pets and sometimes other people's pets.

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Carol Ann Brayley

When when I offer either approach to a human, I will supervise their pets process for free. But yeah, so something a chronic condition like arthritis. I do find that even if somebody has like an elimination of pain or an improvement with pain, after a while it tends to creep back in. If we repeat SSP, that it tends to back off again.

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Carol Ann Brayley

And that can be true for sound sensitivities sometimes as well. People though, it really can be like like so with that client, for example, her misophonia.

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Cherie Lindberg

I don't.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Think it didn't come back like fully, but there were it was starting to creep back in a little ways and then it improved again right away. Sometimes people repeat either approach because their improvements have faded a little bit, but very often they're repeating it kind of just because they want to see what cool thing happens next. Or maybe they had some improvements, but a specific area that they were hoping to see improvement with hasn't responded yet.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So it's like for me, my first round of SSP, with my social anxiety resolved, I didn't notice at the time. I was literally on an airplane coming home from a trip where I had gone to like a family reunion for the partner I had at the time, and before that, the idea for the trip had come up. Before I had done SSP and I was very worried about it.

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Carol Ann Brayley

But coming home, we're literally halfway home on the plane. I suddenly gasp out loud, to the point that people around me turned and spooked and I was just like, I forgot to get anxious. I had met about 40 people. I never went second guessed a single thing I said or did. I never worried about whether or not anyone liked me.

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Carol Ann Brayley

The two adult daughters of the people we were staying with never really talked to us, and before SSP, I would have thought they didn't like me and I would have obsessed. But as it was, I just thought, wow, their social engagement systems are off. They could really benefit from SSP. That improvement has never faded for me at all, whereas arthritis in my hips.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Actually, that's been better for a long time too. I think RSP might have knocked that out further, but it did improve with SSP. I do find a lot, really. A lot of the time things stick and if they haven't, when someone comes back, the those improvements tend to kick back in pretty quickly and deepen and then new improvements.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Also showing up and see with someone, let's say if it's a child on the spectrum and they have lots of trauma, like it's it might fade a little bit sooner and then we repeat it again. And over time what we see is the improvements last longer each time. We also ideally like they're not meant to be used as standalone approaches.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So we suggest okay, SSP for example, it shifts physiology really quickly and then sets a better platform from which other approaches can then work more effectively and efficiently. So whatever is relevant for that person, maybe it's brain spotting or speech and language therapy or OT or whatever, like, okay, we'll do SSP and then follow it with something else and that can help the other approaches to work better, but also help to lock in the SSP improvements or our improvements as well.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, wonderful. Just is there anything I haven't asked you that would be really good for our listeners to hear about SSP or RB? One, make sure we're covering all the aspects of it.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So part of it is like so I do a lot of work with providers. It's my favorite thing to do and I combine advanced training. I have consultation work and I do a lot of brain spotting with providers now, but it's really important that people understand how complex it can be, offering the approaches and whether I'm working with a client or I'm working with the provider, helping them to understand what I say is we don't want to think our way through these approaches.

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Carol Ann Brayley

What we want to do is sense into physiology, but it's also kind of a somatic experiencing thing that when I'm working with people, when they say, well, how long should I listen for? I'll say, well, let's ask your body, but we'll have them think about the idea of listening and see if they can tell how their body responds and like, does it say yes or no?

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Carol Ann Brayley

And through subtle body sensation, if they get a yes, then it's like, okay. And depending on how sensitive or complex the client is, I might say if you think about listening for 30s, or maybe it's like a minute or whatever, think about the idea of one minute and see how that feels. Or two minutes and three minutes, and then we'll have their body decide, and then we'll do that small amount, and then we might pause and check in and ask the body again.

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Carol Ann Brayley

So it's it's really important because either like I think I said earlier, either approach dysregulation can show up. There can be a delay before it starts. So it's important to it's a lot easier and more enjoyable to start slowly and then gradually build up if if that is warranted, rather than jumping in with a longer amount and having to course correct.

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Carol Ann Brayley

It's also the case that the ideal pacing is going to keep changing throughout the process. With RPE, it's more often that people can listen for longer amounts on the introductory music and level one, usually by level two. Most people are needing to slow down, and level three some clients may be better off not going there at all. It can be a little bit more intense for people, but if they can do it again, they should start really slowly and really watch closely for signs of dysregulation with ESP, with the pace, because the filtering on each hour is different.

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Carol Ann Brayley

The ideal pacing on each hour is also different. So I usually see either people who can start out going fairly quickly with our one, and then each hour after that they need to slow down more, especially around two hours. Three if there's a bigger drop in pacing or I see the very reverse where we'll start out an hour.

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Carol Ann Brayley

One is very, very slow and that's more often true with really complex people, because basically hues of safety are being sent to the nervous system. But for some of us who've been to a lot of trauma, safety feels unsafe. So it has the micro dose sometimes. And so it's just safety without tripping off a counter constriction of the nervous system because it kind of freaks out that it doesn't know what this weird feeling is.

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Carol Ann Brayley

Right? And finally, they can go faster, especially hours 3 to 5, which is actually where the heavier work is. So these are the people that hour five where other people find it the most intense. These people can sail through it like nothing because those their physiology knows how to do really hard work. There's many different ways of offering SSP.

00;32;00;04 - 00;32;20;19

Carol Ann Brayley

Steven Porges actually has a brand new book he coauthored with Karen on Undercoat. Again, I forget the name. It starts with safe and sound, and then I just wrote a book review for it posted on my blog yesterday. But it's amazing. And there's a really diverse set of client issues and the case studies. Also providers from all different disciplines.

00;32;20;19 - 00;32;33;29

Carol Ann Brayley

It shows all kinds of different wonderful ways of offering SSP, and it really shows how it's not a one size fits all approach, but also how incredible it can be for so many different concerns.

00;32;34;01 - 00;32;58;21

Cherie Lindberg

Wonderful. Well, I just want to say that I just I love your name of your business, SSP Yoda. I was there when you came up with that. Creatively, I think that that really, you know, is cute and clever and that where can they find a provider or, you know, if you're provider training in this to be able to offer to the clients.

00;32;58;23 - 00;33;24;14

Carol Ann Brayley

Yeah. So, so to do the, the foundational training for SSP is through the unite company. And that's you and white on their website is integrated listening.com. Then I offer advanced training in SSP and teaching people how to use some of the kind of discoveries I came to intuitively. They can find my work through SSP, Yoda, dot com looking for a provider.

00;33;24;14 - 00;33;46;19

Carol Ann Brayley

I work with people internationally. I also have some associates who would be happy to help. We also are working with really complex people and have done a high volume of work with misophonia, specifically in neurodivergent and trauma. You know, all the things, but they also can go through the unite website. There's somewhere where they can enter their name and email and indicate what kind of work they are looking for.

00;33;46;19 - 00;34;20;13

Carol Ann Brayley

And the system, I believe, is just kind of computerized or it's not a human that they will kind of be assigned to a provider that they can the provider will reach out to them. It doesn't mean they have to go with that provider, but that's a way to begin. Yeah. So and I do have an article on my blog on SSP, Yoda talking about what to look for in a provider, because for these approaches, it's more more important than any other modality I've encountered in with over 30 years of clinical experience, training and all the things the choice of providers are really important.

00;34;20;13 - 00;34;43;24

Carol Ann Brayley

Especially the more complex someone is, the more important. That is because it's really hard. If anyone reads about SSP very much online, they're going to read these wonderful miracle stories. They're also going to read things that are going to be scary. And then unfortunately, it creates a misperception that SSP isn't safe. It's very, very safe. And it can be very, very gentle for pretty much anyone.

00;34;43;27 - 00;34;59;26

Carol Ann Brayley

But it's very important it be titrated and there's lots of wonderful providers who are able to do that. But there's specific things and questions that I suggest people ask a prospect of providers so that they are sure that they're working with someone who has the skill set. That's the most ideal for this work.

00;34;59;29 - 00;35;43;24

Cherie Lindberg

Well, thank you so much for coming on and and sharing with our listeners about SSP and our RRP, and we will make sure that we have the social media links in our description for everybody on the podcast. Thank you, Carol Anne, for joining us. I hope you enjoyed listening to how SSP and RPA can be a wonderful way of having an easier time in your healing, listening to music and being able to help your central nervous system feel safe and then have a major shift so that you show up differently in your relationships and in your world.

00;35;43;26 - 00;36;25;03

Cherie Lindberg

I know this makes folks very curious and how does that happen, but our vagus nerve is an amazing nerve, and our ability to use frequency music to help our physiology re pattern and heal. How amazing is that discovery? So as I've said before, if you found this podcast helpful, please share with a loved one or a friend because we're trying to get all of these holistic healing methods out there for as many people as possible to support everyone, and learning how they can live an elevated life.

00;36;25;05 - 00;36;29;10

Cherie Lindberg

Until next time, thank you so much.

00;36;29;13 - 00;36;48;09

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