58: Trusting the Body’s Wisdom: Coming Home to Your Intuitive Self

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Narrator

Hello and welcome to Cherie Lindberg's Elevated Life Academy. Stories of hope and healing. Through raw and heartfelt conversations, we uncover the powerful tools and strategies these individuals use to not only heal themselves, but also inspired those around them. Join us on this incredible journey as we discover the human spirit's remarkable capacity to heal, find hope in the darkest of moments, and ultimately live an elevated life.

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Cherie Lindberg

Hi everyone! Welcome to another episode of Elevated Life Academy and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg. And today we have a guest, Cathy Williams. And I will let her introduce yourself. But our topic is going to be all about intuitive self. So I really want to hear Cathy's story, how this all came to be. And I really want to hear more about your healing path.

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Cherie Lindberg

So wherever you would like to maybe start with introductions and we'll go from there.

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Cathy Williams

Thanks for having me.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, you're very welcome.

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Cathy Williams

So yeah, my name is Cathy and I am based in Melbourne, Australia, and my business is called Intuitive Self, where I am known as a movement and expressive Art therapist. So the through line with all of my work is creating spaces and experiences and resources to connect people more deeply with their body, to learn how to work in partnership with their body, and really get curious to understand the different signals that the body communicates, and how that can connect them deeper with their unique intuition and their inner guidance to help them navigate life and support in making decisions and feeling confident to move through the world with aligned values.

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Cathy Williams

Beautiful.

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Cherie Lindberg

Beautiful. So how did this all come to be? Let's hear about your journey to intuitive self.

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Cathy Williams

started this business back in: 2016

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Cathy Williams

And it's because my own journey with understanding my body and coming to a place where I now do trust in my body, and I do believe that my body and my intuition are an ally. It took many years to really get to that point of learning to trust my body and and listen to what my intuition was saying, to then know how to follow it.

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Cathy Williams

I feel like I I've always worked in community. I've always worked in sort of with a humanitarian focus, and for many years that had me working overseas in different developing communities. But that work was very taxing. And I came back to Melbourne quite burnt out and jaded, and I realized how much I'd been living in my head rather than my body, with not a lot of respect for my body.

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Cathy Williams

You know, my body was sort of taking me to all of these different places and allowing me to function. But I was definitely overstretching myself. I was being overprotective. And what I've come to know is that I was actually I feel like this is a common story, particularly with the women that I work with, is that I was keeping myself so busy because I was scared to stop and actually feel my feelings, feel all of the emotions that I kind of guessed would be so overwhelming that I wouldn't be able to function anymore.

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Cathy Williams

And so I kept myself so busy. And I think in doing that, I. I disconnected further from my body and where that sort of took me was it left me in quite a vulnerable position when I met someone and started a romantic relationship with them, because I always, up until that point, had a pretty strong sense of self.

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Cathy Williams

You know, I, I sort of knew who I was and, and what I stood for, but I was so sort of overrun with being burnt out from the work and developing this coping mechanism of not feeling my feelings and not being aware of how to read my body and read what those emotions meant in the body and in that relationship, I.

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Cathy Williams

I really lost myself. And I feel like, you know, your intuition, I believe, is always talking to you. It's always signaling to you. And during the first, you know, a few days, weeks, months of that relationship, my intuition was signaling to me and I was getting, you know, that was sort of that twisted gut feeling and that niggle in the back of the neck, which is signs for me that, you know, something is a bit off and we don't always know what that is.

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Cathy Williams

We can't always pinpoint, you know, mind space, you know, what exactly is making us so uncomfortable. But there's that feeling, there's that knowing that that something's a bit off. And I had those feelings that I was so trained in disconnecting from them that I ignored them. I overrode them, and things got pretty bad in that relationship. And, you know, it was it took me a bit to leave that relationship and then get support and get therapy and get healing to understand that it was a very psychologically abusive dynamic, but it was also the catalyst for me being like, wow.

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Cathy Williams

My intuition was like was signaling to me, and I chose to ignore that.

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Cherie Lindberg

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Cathy Williams

So that is when I started to really want to have a relationship with my intuition and start to actually acknowledge that she exists and work with her in a, in a more intentional healing capacity.

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Cherie Lindberg

Beautiful. I think you're absolutely right Cathy. There. This this could be many people stories because often I hear this from women that I work with too. Or they lose themselves and they're not listening to themselves and, and that the intuition is there. But there's such a cultural aspect of this as well of not listening to ourselves and blocking out our truth.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yes, yes. So I really hear that.

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Cathy Williams

And it. Yeah. This is, this is such a cultural piece I feel like naturally, you know, within the patriarchal Western society that I grew up in that it's almost, you know, it's taboo to listen to your feelings where we're taught there's a lot of pressure to actually like keep yourself together and, you know, whatever that means, and to ignore your feelings and to, you know, women, a lot of the time, get told, you know, or you're too much or don't be too dramatic or, you know, be more logical.

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Cathy Williams

But the body, you know, is such a resource for us to learn to work in partnership and like mind, body, spirit together because we know intuitively what's right for us and what's not.

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Cherie Lindberg

Absolutely. Yeah. So how did that journey begin? How did you turn the corner there?

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Cathy Williams

I started really by apologizing to my intuition. I sought out therapy and started to get educated on, I guess, domestic violence and psychological abuse. But then at the same time, I also started studying movement therapy and expressive art therapy. And the beautiful thing when we study anything is that we are fully, you know, where the guinea pig we are going through the motions of our own stories, our narratives, our own coping mechanisms.

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Cathy Williams

And it was a beautiful combination where I had been so disconnected from my body that I had to patiently learn ways to to be with her and befriend her again in developing practices where I wasn't judging, you know, the choices that I had made and the situations that I had that I'd been in, learning how to, I guess, grow compassion for myself and move from a space where I felt numb to actually allowing myself to start to incrementally like feel those those emotions that had had felt too overwhelming to begin with.

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Cathy Williams

So I was really lucky because I, you know, I sought out these different courses and these different mentors in that space of alternative healing therapies and creative expression. And it really, you know, it was so liberating for my soul to be able to find different ways to be with self and give expression to those inner stories and find ways of being with those emotions that at once scared me.

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Cathy Williams

So much. And, you know, you know, I studied them for many years. I developed these practices and then realized that that was also my way of being able to still do the community work that I wanted to do. But also with this now, with this new toolkit and with this new layer that I believe in so much, because it's been so integral to my own healing journey.

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Cathy Williams

And I feel like when we go through different experiences and then come out to understand you know, how our bodies have responded to them within, able to be more attuned to people who are going through that experience as well. So yeah, it really started, though, with with getting curious and wanting to go to these places, but but gently and over time.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. With care. I hear it so tell me a little bit more about the work that you do with the community. Do you still do community work?

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Cathy Williams

when it first started back in: 2016

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Cathy Williams

So sort of kindergarten, primary school, secondary school and, and young men and women. And then that morphed into a real need for, for women. So for women in the community who whether they have a similar story of being disconnected from their response to different traumatic events or they're completely burnt out and have no space or capacity for for self-care and for self-love, if their mothers as well, and you know their priorities are going to caring for someone else is sort of shifted into this space where I now offer sort of public workshops and public programs for women and one on one sessions, but also moving into for the last couple of years, offering professional development

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Cathy Williams

training for practitioners in the space as well. So knowing my experience of being burnt out in the field, but then knowing the the work that these modalities can offer, whether with client sessions or group programs, teaching other practitioners, whether they're social workers or counselors or in the wellbeing space, how they can start to weave in body based and creative art therapy practices to their work.

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Cathy Williams

And I see that as two fold. I see that as them, first and foremost, for their self-care, to be able to hold those spaces and listen to those stories, you know, daily and care for self during that, but also start to bring in that somatic lens when they are working with clients and working with groups because, you know, movement could be anything from the icebreakers in a in a new group scenario to some playful, you know, creative movement to break up different processes.

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Cathy Williams

But then it can be resource and it can be self-regulating and it can be forms of expressing that doesn't need to go into the traditional talk therapy story, where it comes often from the mind rather than the body's expression. And that felt sense. So it's kind of really taken me on, you know, it's been the pillar for my own healing journey, but it's been are something that I offer from those two different perspectives.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Well, this is wonderful because I think more and more the trend and I don't like to use that word. And maybe I could think of a different word, but not off the top of my head. But I think I should say, finally, in our field, we're starting to understand the body is so important to healing, right? It's not just about our mind.

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Cherie Lindberg

And in fact, being a brain spotting practitioner, we know that to reach that trauma, the trauma, you've got to go deeper and you've got to go deeper into the body. It's not just in the mind, it's in our central nervous system. So I'm I'm really hearing you say, you know, finding ways to bring the body in, but also do it in a very gentle way, which I think is, is very needed.

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Cherie Lindberg

So where is that taking you most recently with with doing Intuitive Self and working with communities. And I'm hearing that you train other practitioners as well. Now what is what is the if I was to say like the last six months, in the six months to come on, like where where's the trajectory there.

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Cathy Williams

It's been such an amazing year. I feel like I published a book in November 23rd, and that book, Body Wisdom A Guide to Connecting with Your Intuitive Selves, is it was like a little collation of snippets of my own lived experience, but then 20 different ways to connect to your body creatively. And you know those creative self-discovery practices.

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Cathy Williams

So that's been a really beautiful resource to promote to community and to, you know, this, this world of body based creative arts therapy can be really exciting for some people, but it can also be really intimidating. So I offer that as a resource for people who are curious about it, but they don't know where to start. So it's a bit of an entry point for them.

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Cathy Williams

So that book has been a really beautiful resource to promote out to community. And I mean, the last six months has been lots of in-person and then online. PD workshops. So that could be anything from an hour and a half, sort of taster of how to start to weave in movement for connection and relationship building to some, you know, full day deep dives where I'm working with play therapists, doing a tailored program just for them to bring in creative movement and body based regulation tools for their young clients.

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Cathy Williams

I recently got back from Perth, so Western Australia last week where I was one of the presenters at a women's festival. Nice and yes shared. It was so beautiful. It's it's called Sisterhood Rising and it just it was a festival that was so intentionally done with ceremony and with celebration and really welcomed, you know, we had in some of my workshops, we had mums with young babies, we had the maidens sort of the teenage cohort of young women and their mothers.

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Cherie Lindberg

Eyes.

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Cathy Williams

Up to the crones, you know, women who had lived this before and with there sharing their wisdom. So it was a really beautiful way to again run an hour and a half workshop where you're inviting people to get curious about their intuition and listen to the signals of their body. And my workshop, one of my workshops there was called Body Oracle and again, you know, it's the kind of work that I wish that I had experienced when I was a young woman, where we're really, you know, we're really feeling into, oh, what's the what's a yes in my body, what's a no in my body.

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Cathy Williams

And when you feel that, how can you action that in a way that feels more aligned for you, regardless of what people at school is saying, regardless of, you know, what that how that might come across to others and how you might disappoint others. And how can you like stand strong in your in your sense of no. And I think with everything that we know about consent and peer pressure, I feel like those are really important lessons to to hone, particularly from a young age.

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Cherie Lindberg

Absolutely. Like you're basically, teaching empowerment and how to stand in your truth is when I hear, yes, yeah, tell me a little bit more about movement. Give us that. Give us some some of the listeners, some ideas, some maybe some simple movements that you use that can be really helpful for hearing about your intuition and learning to listen more.

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Cathy Williams

I think the one of the ones that I use quite often to as like an entry point to really get people to start getting curious about listening to their body and tuning in and sort of enhancing that body awareness is what I call an impulse stretch. You know, we're all in bodies regardless if we sort of live mainly in our mind.

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Cathy Williams

We use our body every day. So we've got this everyday movement of, you know, brushing our hairs, putting on our clothes and something I like to encourage, you know, daily, whether that is at the start of your day or, you know, in between your work day is to find a pause. And we can do this now, find a pause.

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Cathy Williams

And, you know, sort of just maybe if you want to close or lower your eyes just to sort of bring that focus inward without the external stimuli that can often distract us and just become aware of your breath.

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Cathy Williams

Feel the quality of your breath.

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Cathy Williams

The pace of your breath.

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Cathy Williams

And know that there's nothing that you need to do or be or change. Just simply noticing your breath and feeling this connection to your body as you take in your body shape in this space. And just notice how you're holding your body in this moment. Notice how your body's holding you.

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Cathy Williams

And with your next breath, just allowing yourself to soften further into the chair.

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Cathy Williams

Give more of your weight to the chair.

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Cathy Williams

Just start to tune in whether or not you're comfortable in this position.

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Cathy Williams

And this might be just gently scanning over different body parts.

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Cathy Williams

Just to take note of any signs that you're comfortable or any signs of discomfort.

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Cathy Williams

And here we're starting to take more notice of the body as a whole.

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Cathy Williams

Saying with our breath. Allowing our breath to keep us connected.

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Cathy Williams

And you might even want to bring one or both hands in contact with the rest of the body.

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Cathy Williams

Maybe there is a part of your body that wants to be held.

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Cathy Williams

That once.

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Cherie Lindberg

Touch.

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Cathy Williams

This could be a place that's holding tension.

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Cathy Williams

This form of touch might even just keep you a little bit more connected to your body.

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Cathy Williams

And as you breathe and be with your body in this intentional way.

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Cathy Williams

If you were to make any adjustments right now. What would that be?

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Cathy Williams

Maybe that is, rolling your shoulders.

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Cathy Williams

Stretching your arms out.

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Cathy Williams

And just following the impulse of the body.

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Cathy Williams

To adjust. To stretch. In meet that need from the body. In this moment. Right now.

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Cathy Williams

Of what it's signaling to you and how you can offer more comfort.

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Cathy Williams

More compassion.

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Cathy Williams

And will love to your body in this moment.

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Cathy Williams

And really giving that to yourself.

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Cathy Williams

And giving yourself permission to receive that from yourself.

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Cathy Williams

And in your own way.

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Cathy Williams

Offering your body.

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Cathy Williams

And what has been shown and become more known to you? Just a thank you. A bit of gratitude for this body that holds you, for this body that supports you, for this body that carries you through all that you experience.

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Cathy Williams

And as you're ready.

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Cathy Williams

Gently opening your eyes.

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Cherie Lindberg

It it's very nice. It brought me it's been kind of a crazy week and it brought me right back to. I just got even though I just got back from Peru on Tuesday, it was there. It brought me back. This. When you cover your heart in you and you say money, that's love like brought me back to love.

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Cherie Lindberg

And it helped really like bring me back to consciousness in terms of how I want the rest of my week to go. It was last. It was last Tuesday that I, that I came back, but that was that was really nice reminder because when you, you get back from going somewhere for two weeks, it's like you hit the pavement running, right.

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Cherie Lindberg

You're trying to catch up on everything. And so that was a nice, a nice reminder that that to me seemed like a pause and an impulse stretch together.

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Cathy Williams

Yes. Because it's you know, I feel like it's that intentional pause that we have access to.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yes we do. We forget. Yes.

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Cathy Williams

And the breath is always available to us. And non-threatening non intimidating way to come back to the body.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah.

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Cathy Williams

And to start to read those signals and be open to those signals. And then you know it's not I'm not guiding or directing with what movements to do. There's movement that coming internally from you from, from whoever I'm working with. And listening to those impulses is where we can start to build that relationship with how our body is communicating.

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Cathy Williams

And, you know, those intuitive impulses and, you know, something as simple as, you know, I'll be comfortable. Or is there discomfort in the body.

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Cherie Lindberg

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Cathy Williams

We might not know that, you know, but we're offering an opportunity to get curious about, oh what does what does bring me comfort and what is a sign of discomfort. And how can I meet that. How can I change that for myself. And there's so many places we could take that.

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Cherie Lindberg

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, you're really moving people from automatic pilot to consciousness. Yes. Which so many of us walk around in automatic pilot.

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Cathy Williams

Absolutely. And I'm guilty of it too, you know with. Yeah. You know with as you said like you know we can be in these spaces, in these workshops, in these retreats on holiday where we are fully immersed somewhere and then we come back, you know, even just getting back to the airport or getting back into the world where, you know, back in that, that hamster wheel, that finding a pause and being able to just take a breath for a moment.

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Cathy Williams

We can all afford to do that.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Well, and it's about being intentional. Yeah. And then create like a daily practice of this and and I'm guilty of this too in terms of like, well I don't have time and it's like everybody has five minutes. You could do this and five minutes and it could bring you back to consciousness. Yes. Yeah. Well thank you. That was a beautiful exercise.

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Cherie Lindberg

Is there anything more that you can think that you would like to share? Maybe that I haven't asked you? That would be important for our listeners to know about movement and the expressive arts and then the intuitive self.

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Cathy Williams

Something that I'd love listeners to take away is just, is this approach to to be curious about connecting with themself in a, in a creative way. So, you know, and things that I like to encourage as entry points is, you know, that that pause and connecting with the body, bringing in more intuitive movement into their day. So that could be, you know, even just stretching and starting to see how the body wants to move with or without music is really nice to put on your favorite track and just to sort of, you know, shake off the body, bring in different styles of, of self touch and start to intuitively move without having to look a

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Cathy Williams

certain way, but also getting curious about, you know, I'm a really big journal, a really big advocate for that self-reflection. And it doesn't have to be only with words. You know, I'm a really big advocate for art journals. So again, that can be really intimidating for people. And it's very common to have that story in that narrative of on an artist.

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Cathy Williams

I'm not creative. And to that I just want to encourage that. It's not. Again, it's not about the final product. It's about the process of, you know, to me, I feel like it's it's functional meditation. It's, you know, my hands are sort of moving, whether that's, you know, putting down different colors, lines and shapes onto a page or cutting up old magazines and making, you know, collages.

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Cathy Williams

I'm able to reach a point where I'm in a meditative state and, you know, I'm I'm able to take a break from that. The holding or the emotional labor of anything that I'm holding and just be with self. And as you said, with that intentionality of taking a pause of of doing something creative and it's always so fascinating what comes out on the page.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, I, I love that idea. I'm a big journal for my, myself and I love just most recently I had a colleague that had a training on expressive arts and took that. And that was wonderful too. I'm one of those people that grew up with like don't make a mess. So I had to work on just letting whatever happens happen and not worry, right?

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. And how much freedom that can have for for folks. But yeah, just really piggybacking off what will catch the is saying is like, give yourself permission to try some of these things, be curious and see. I mean, I'm just hearing a lot of nurturing, self nurturing of that of that intuition based on what you're saying.

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Cathy Williams

And it can be, you know, it's such a unique practice. It's unique to how we start to integrate that into our world. And, you know, and I say this throughout the book, it's that I, you know, I'm it's not about these, you know, these are more the practices that work for me. And I hope that they can inspire people to cultivate their own practices and what feels good in their body and what works for their daily life.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, beautiful. And we will make sure that your book is linked in the notes for the podcast. And I just want to thank you for, you know, I know I have no idea. It's I know it's really early there for you to get up in Australia to come and take the time to speak to our listeners. So thank you, Cathy.

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Cherie Lindberg

It's very nice meeting. I thank you for coming and sharing your wonderful gift.

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Cathy Williams

Thank you so much for having me. It's yeah, it's really beautiful to be connected and to talk about my passions.

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Cherie Lindberg

I hope you found our podcast today helpful. I hope you were curious. I hope you tried to do some of the of that part of the exercise. She kind of guided us through. The more that we can take time to really be in our bodies and be curious, helps us reclaim our power, helps us become empowered, helps us get to know who we really are again.

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Cherie Lindberg

So I'm just inviting you to learn more about your body. Be curious about your body. We have links so that you can reach out to Cathy, and like she said, if you're just starting out, you can get her book and get some ideas for healers and practitioners. You can start using this with your clients. You can find out more on her website.

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Cherie Lindberg

Thank you so much for listening. And as I've said before, if you found this helpful, share this with a person in need or share it with family, because we're really trying to put out things that are going to help teach people how to have an elevated life until we meet again. Thank you so much for listening.

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Narrator

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