23: Navigating Inner Worlds and Somatic Healing with Lucas and Erin Brewer

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Narrator

Hello and welcome to Cherie Lindberg's Elevated Life Academy. Stories of hope and healing through raw and heartfelt conversation. We uncover the powerful tools and strategies these individuals use to not only heal themselves, but also inspire those around them. Join us on this incredible journey as we discover the human spirit's remarkable capacity to heal, find hope in the darkest of moments, and ultimately live an elevated life.

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Cherie Lindberg

Welcome to another episode of Elevated Life Academy, and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg. And today we have Erin and Lucas, who are not only married in their everyday life, but also in their service to their clients. They have a business called Earthworks Healing Arts, and I'm going to let them introduce themselves and share some of their healing story and what got them here and some of their dreams about serving their client.

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Cherie Lindberg

So welcome, Erin and Lucas.

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Lucas Brewer

Thank you.

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Erin Brewer

They will delight you.

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Cherie Lindberg

Erin, to go ahead and go first and tell us a little bit about yourself.

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Erin Brewer

You are. Well, our practice is located in Dayton, Ohio. And for myself personally, I've been doing healing work. Send my teenage years. So my first introduction to healing was actually through Reiki. And at a very young age, I started with some of my studies around age 16. So I was very lucky. I had an amazing master and teacher and I studied with her for over 20 years, so that led me into some nature shaman work.

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Erin Brewer

And then from there I became a body worker, some also like sage therapists. And along the way I developed some intuitive abilities. So I discovered that I was able to intuitively look into bodies and really from kind of an emotional energy body perspective, really be able to articulate sort of patterns and and be able to extract themes of what was going on.

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Erin Brewer

And so from there I went and did somatic experiencing training. So I completed the training program for that. So I've incorporated a somatic therapy into my offering. So yeah, I've been in practice for 11 years. I recently retired from offering massage therapy. I'm primarily offering somatic there at this point. When Lucas and I met and started to, you know, the doorway started opening into the to the bottom up modality, I really opened so much and it just became my obsession that my passion itself being saw.

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Cherie Lindberg

And your turn, Lucas.

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Lucas Brewer

So I kind of fumbled my way into the therapist. That was never my goal. I started off, like most of us healers, having our tough upbringing really start where there are a I started looking into that up by when I was like 70 and wanted to join the military to help myself get there. That didn't quite work out.

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Lucas Brewer

I got mad and boot camp then ended up losing the job I signed up for originally, or just cryptology and ended up going in to be a firefighter for four years and she's kind of weird. And then I realized like, Well, this still isn't what I wanted. So I became a cop. The military did that for four years and I could never do a ticket.

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Lucas Brewer

Like every time I pulled somebody over, I would be like, This is, you know, I'll just I'll do it again. And that flat bottomed out. And so then I got out of the military, you know, throughout that time when Kuwait, Iraq, it was after 911. So like, everything was grand cruising my next to the station would have been overseas and my like, I didn't want to do that.

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Lucas Brewer

So I got out and decided to get a psychology degree. I had no idea why. So I think that's what people do. And then when I was doing a report on reality therapy, actually, one of the professors said You should be a counselor. It's like, What's that? You know, just like, you know, that's kind of my family's mentality.

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Lucas Brewer

And around I'll was that you don't need a therapist or whatever. We talked about her even though my mom was a psych nurse. I think most psych nurse have a little edge to them. So anyway, I ended up going to school for counseling. I did not want to work with kids, ended up working with kids for eight years and trying to help them that like survival.

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Lucas Brewer

I then I was like kind of did my own healing stop. I started realizing that I was trying to heal my own stuff through the kids I worked for. I think based on brain spotting, I really addressed all that stuff when I first met, you know, because I had been reported up to myself for so long. And then I did the bright spot and it's, you know, there's nothing you can really describe what it's like.

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Lucas Brewer

Sit out of a stranger staring at a pouring student. CROCKER Eyes out. No idea. What's that smell of? Like, there's something to that. There's some connection here. I'm like, And so, like, a very I person covered questions. I'm bothering you with my old stuff. But eventually I realized that I would rather work with inner child of adults. You know, I started reading into the parts work without realizing that arts book was getting further to the brain, spotting the really enjoying the uncertainty of being able to tell clients that I don't know which is such a relief from the old version of like, feeling like you always had to have an answer.

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Lucas Brewer

It would be it would give it to the client or write on a lot more pressure. I think I realized, and that being able to get the learned to assert, I just see where it takes you and really opened a lot of doors for my clients. The way that they start would have no, I had it done the brain's injury and so then I continued down that path.

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Lucas Brewer

It's one bop bop arts work, really embracing the idea of that in our system, of the way that our body heals, even if it's not always logical. And I really enjoy telling clients when I do the work with them that, you know, arts work is very much like math and that we didn't create math. We discovered it. That's very similar to arts.

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Lucas Brewer

We're not creating arts, we're discovering them and having a new way of interacting with that external world. Because a lot of my clients, I'm like, I'm schizophrenic or anything like that. So it's just now that we have a language or we can actually engage, allow for the healing process to be more of a joint collaboration versus the mind trying to think that in your world.

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Lucas Brewer

And so that's kind of how I've fallen into the systems I use. And then of course, we Erin, I only had a basic understanding by modalities. And then as I matched with Erin Ward, she taught me about Reiki, some of the work she had been doing. It just kind of fit into that puzzle, kind of like it was meant to.

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Lucas Brewer

I kind of added layers to my understanding of the nature healing that, you know, so then continue to explore because I realized that the brain loves novel things. So any time you do something repetitively in the eye, it eventually it doesn't let the boot past the factory. And so I'm constantly looking for new ways to engage the brain, you know, that's what I'm doing.

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Lucas Brewer

The ketamine treatment now, that definitely helps lower that guard working with you and the shaman. You know, I take a lot of that knowledge back. My clients, looking at who you are as a form of energy and trying to connect with the idea that that's settling it. So the way that create auction I think really helps clients have a look at their experience in different way.

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Cherie Lindberg

Wonderful. Yeah. Thank you. So, Erin, can you share more I mean it in terms of I mean, just listening to what you said, you had this beautiful mentor for over 20 years. I mean, how fortunate. That's amazing. And it sounds like you're you still use a lot of that work. I'm curious, though, how in the world did you introduce that work?

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Cherie Lindberg

Because, like right now, folks are just starting to open up to that. So how did you do that work when it really, like was not as acceptable in the service industry? And now, of course, it's opening up. So share a little bit more about your story there.

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Erin Brewer

Yeah, I just think I was so it was so divinely organized for me. And you know, we live in the Midwest, so it really is kind of much of much of it's still the Bible Belt. And so I kind of joke, well, when I first opened my massage practices in the back, a practical Sickness, and they started to refer to me as the witch in the back of the office.

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Erin Brewer

So I kind of joke a little bit, but I actually was pretty closeted. I had to be a lot of people with more conservative Christian beliefs tell me that I was doing dark work or the devil's work or or I would have clients come in and and say that they were Christian, and so they only wanted massage. They did not want, you know, the energy work.

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Erin Brewer

But the thing is, I think, you know, I think we signed what we're meant to do while we're here. I believe that I think there are things that are set up for us that we will experience no matter what and so on. Some level, once you plug in to the work and you realize on a cellular level that this is why you came here, for me, there began a little bit of a mission that I was I was going to do this no matter what, you know.

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Erin Brewer

And so, you know, a lot of it, it's you know, that's a lot of it was me making sure that I was very anchored in my truths and my practices. I really wasn't trying to convert anybody. And it was actually through my groundedness that it attracted a lot of people. And in the aspect that I was very confident in my truth, you know, I knew that this was well, one of the modalities that Reiki work was a very, very powerful tool.

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Erin Brewer

And, you know, if you look at part of the condition planet right now, I don't think that there's any state that some of us are here doing this work right now. I think that we are in alignment. We're kind of like, you know, a bigger story. And so it that's you know, it's that's the dry.

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Cherie Lindberg

I would love to hear more from both of you about the drive because I totally understand. I mean, we we talked about that and it's almost like our souls on a mission here and we're honoring that in each other and supporting each other in that in the hopes of shining our light so that we can bring some positivity and some healing to this world.

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Cherie Lindberg

But if you could talk more about both of you, about how that, you know, your mission is like an anchor for which you continue to pursue whatever services you're providing to your folks.

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Lucas Brewer

I think that when it's I don't want to say easy, but it feels right. It makes it feel like the heart parts aren't that bad. And so there's a lot of like as we were kind of merging our practice, you know, we had issues trying to come together about what we wanted to look like. And those are hard, but it's never been difficult for us to work with clients, even when they're like very often, you know, we can feel like we're not doing a great job and yet we have full service because when we're in the practice, it just makes sense that we're able to hold space in a way that clients only here, I

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Lucas Brewer

don't know how many times a week I hear, I don't know what you're doing, but it's different.

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Cherie Lindberg

Isn't it?

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Lucas Brewer

And it's that's refreshing because it lets me know people are open to different and, you know, I first met Erin, like she was definitely still that awesome that which in a way where well, it's like that's amazing. Why was it Well you don't understand. You know, not only is this something I'm dealing with, but like she's able to connect with those past lives, which, you know, being a which was not so accepted.

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Lucas Brewer

And so there's trauma on that ethereal level.

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Erin Brewer

Ancestral, too.

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Lucas Brewer

And so like as these Christian groups are constantly coming to her door, which is so weird like that, where these opposites attract where Erin's doing her thing, and Christian groups are working with her and saying, Oh, how godly she is. And I've upsetting you're like eliciting some of the conversations in a way that's like, you know, it just really, I think something.

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Lucas Brewer

Eric only a long time ago where she says that she works with whatever healing arts come through the door. So she works with all faiths in a way that there's no contractor judgment and that just resonates, that this makes sense. It doesn't that label or it to be powerful. And I think letting clients label or whatever form makes them, people say, you know, I think because we're able to say that's okay and embrace whatever they show up as the clients aren't used to that.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, I mean, it just sounds like you are with them with whatever is arising and supporting them in that attune and space and teaching them that whatever is coming up from them is their inner wisdom. That's not something to fear. It's actually something to embrace and be curious about and discover. Like you used that word earlier.

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Erin Brewer

There's a saying, you know, every accomplished teacher needs the student back to themselves. And I the times that I have had those those teachers, every time they were able to hold space for me to discover more within oneself, that is just so powerful and it's also so rare to find more. So when you know where people find it, it just feels so good, you know, and it's intended to it's attended empowering.

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Cherie Lindberg

So so talk a little bit more about, you know, where you're at with your services because I know you all have been evolving and you've been adding some. So I'd love to hear more.

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Lucas Brewer

As I was. I think I've mentioned while you're really nurturing about how the brain loves novelty or may not so but essentially I've recognized doing this long enough that, you know, there's a couple of roadblocks or hurdles clients can get into when they're doing that journey. Well, a lot of it's based around that whole concept of the protector of like the resistance to change.

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Lucas Brewer

And so the brain really starts adapting. The longer I've seen doing a modality. So I consistently did brand spotting, for example, as I'm working with them, I realized that clients will start having this internal distractor or that, and as they get closer to that or women's, it's harder for them. They break that or and so that I try to change it up, you know, arts work that allows the dialog with your doctor.

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Lucas Brewer

But then over time there's an exhaustive experience for clients because that takes a lot more conscious effort. And so that again, creates this block. We're clients know there's something deeper, but their brains are too smart and they're like, I know what you're doing. And so, you know, I've introduced a lot of poly gradle stuff, I would say South vertical, and that can help color change that brain state.

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Lucas Brewer

And yet still I've even gotten to a point where I can heal the client, heal their pain, and then we get to that joy area of the changing the reward center for pleasure being the reward versus the audit kind of being the reward is often stuck with clients writing like they're they know how to survive. Now they're in that place of how do I live in thrive?

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Lucas Brewer

And they struggle just as much, if not actually more, you know. So I'm trying to always think of like, how do I help clients embrace that vulnerability? How do I help them, you know, trust that they can still experience safety and vulnerability. And it's very quiet clients with that concept of their art. And so I because of that, I started looking at psychedelics.

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Lucas Brewer

And so I've taken the workshops on self side looking at Ohio State's research. So if you're doing a38 course trying to understand the way that psychedelics can change great state to help clients kind of reorganize that reward center and the only current psychedelic legal URL for a treatment is ketamine. So I coupled with a local I think are actually national site jury clinical.

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Lucas Brewer

It's an organization that connects to psychiatrist, therapist and in collaboration I offer psychotherapy while they're on the cattery. So that's kind of where I've had it, you know, along with course always expanding brain spotting would out these arts were through a lot of what you offer but looking at how to add just an extra little body stop because again the brain in the body are two distinct cells.

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Lucas Brewer

And so if I can address the chemical makeup, that can help the mind kind of reestablish that positive drive, I'm going to try it because I want my clients to see that's where I'm at with Mark.

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Cherie Lindberg

That's all right. Thank you, Lucas. And how about you earn well.

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Erin Brewer

So I am currently offering Reiki and then the somatic therapy work, which is quite an integration of all the different modalities. So I did take Trainspotting one with you and I do utilize that with my clients. Was loud, really so helpful and wonderful and a really cool party trick. It's pretty amazing. And so then the foundation of my work is anchored in somatic experiencing, but I do utilize safe and sound, so I'm poly vocal theory based as well.

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Erin Brewer

So are you Safe and sound were in balance too. On top of that, what I've done is I've taken internal family systems and I've kind of applied it to somatic there. So I'll do somatic arts work. Lucas has kind of like a dialog that he utilizes and I've taken it and applied it with clients while they're kind of tracking their body sensations.

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Erin Brewer

And I learned that you can actually do parts work with working body parts and what yeah, that's been really interesting. And then due to my own health struggles over the past year or so, I have been led on a functional medicine journey. And so I'm moving towards being a functional medicine coach certification. I'm kind of offering some guidance session on the side right now.

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Erin Brewer

I really just hold our area for resource with and I've actually become fairly knowledgeable just through my own personal research with trying to kind of take care of my own health needs. And I realized that it was such a role in it. We're offering, you know, in-person healing, that that actually really is that is a big part as well.

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Erin Brewer

So that's been my passion over the past ten months. And I just eat, sleep and drink it. And on a lot of levels, I I'm really excited. But that's that's going forward that I'm not I haven't introduced that just yet. I still have to finish the training with that. And then I offer Reiki classes as well, which I taught Reiki for years, but I kind of stepped away from teaching and I've kind of stuck back into that once again.

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Erin Brewer

Really enjoyable, really wonderful.

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Cherie Lindberg

Go this podcast is, you know, not only about, you know, what are what are the gifts that the guests are bringing, but also about any stories of of hope and healing. So I'm going to give you a moment here to just think about in all the different services you've offered and all the different clients that you've that you've had, can you maybe pick out one or two or one each where you can talk a little bit about without any identifying information?

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Cherie Lindberg

Of course. But just about what you witnessed as a practitioner and what like I think it's important to talk about like what keeps us in the game right? What keeps us, you know, doing this work, because it's not for the faint of heart, right? It's for somebody that's really committed and you're the one that's holding the hold when the client doesn't have any hope.

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Cherie Lindberg

And so if you could just speak to that a little bit with your experiences with those that you serve.

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Erin Brewer

So it's really interesting. With this work, there is a beautiful reciprocal opportunity in terms of the journey and the healing journey, not in the way of facilitating as a wounded healer, but in a way of understanding that we're all kind of, you know, walking each other home. And if you stay humble and receptive, it's unbelievable to me what clients will bring to me.

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Erin Brewer

Salve for my soul. Sometimes I didn't even realize I needed but and not to go extremely woo woo. But here we go. Right? And I'm all about science. I'm all about it. I love neuroscience and I'm, you know, I'm trained in in that as well. But I have to say, if I really were to speak from my heart, the most dramatic examples of healing that I have seen in the work that I've done are during COVID, when I was able to channel up once in the past to bring a level of peace to this was it.

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Erin Brewer

And this was a time where they weren't allowed. The bad side went out and it was just there was just so much trauma there. And for me to be able to actually tap in and convey messages for those grief stricken client was just a whole other level hurdle. Even though I can access extra information, I struggle still with faith and kind of believing in the bigger picture.

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Erin Brewer

It's very easy for me to get to become ungrounded, and I think every time I have the opportunity to work in that realm, it shows me all of the infinite pathways and expression of, you know, spirit, the universe, all that is. And it just really is just salve. Or for my my heart and my soul as well, that my weary heart and soul, right from having to do this earth walk and live on this planet right now.

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Erin Brewer

So to me it has been the intuitive work and the channel and work that has shows that has really just brought brought a level of profound healing for me and for the.

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Cherie Lindberg

Thank you, thank you for sharing.

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Lucas Brewer

I think for me, witnessing some of our having those conversations with new law experiencing that. So it's very fast and in a way it's like recognizing that this place where you live there is as much more than what we think it is. Well, that fascinates. And then, you know, I'm I'm pretty on the, you know, logic side of things.

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Lucas Brewer

You know, I definitely have a taste of what sizzle. So it's you know when I think of things including very orderly and when I would clients and they come into my office and they start talking about their story and of course, having done this a long time logic just doesn't set in very orderly fashion until you understand the basic outline of rules at some level.

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Lucas Brewer

So a client will sit there and be like, I don't know why this is so art and this is how I'm trying to cope with it. And like there's this element of like struggle. And then I just, I look at that and I said, Yeah, that makes sense. You know, this is why it makes sense. So I can all one language with what their body is trying to do in a way that I heard before.

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Lucas Brewer

And very often there's this kind of a let down in not say like, Oh, I'm not crazy, then I can. How about that? I can feel that connection with trust and that their system has a plan. Even if it doesn't line up with what our brain says it should be like. And also there there's this unlocking of that internal system, you know, And so there's just a shell that I, I very much get to joy again very often.

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Lucas Brewer

A lot of clients have gone through a whole slew of different treatment modalities. All I heard listening to all these like words about what their body is doing and they just understand or everybody saying, I actually need to invest my body on this. And then I'll say, Well, then let your body direct you, and they'll like, Well, what it wants to be this or all.

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Lucas Brewer

Okay, So don't let that be the end use. Let that be a part of the story and just lean into it and see where it goes. And then inevitably they go through that way and they find that art that's cheering them on. And there is a universal kind of way in which arts, besides singing cheer on the other arts of salt, is often that side eye blocker like, Oh, now you're getting it.

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Lucas Brewer

And when I first introduced clients to Behringer World, there's inevitably this huge emotional like feeling or loneliness that is now being see and the way they realize how they feel and they're like, I don't know, we're not feeling well. So we'll be test art, abuse, working, very art, and they should not known that they were ever going to be.

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Lucas Brewer

See. And so that's why I often talk to people about how consciousness in that space, it's like that is your life. And so as you are, it arches in this inner world. If you intentionally turn that light up, all those long allowed dark places become less scary. And on the other side, very much like in my artistic kind of brain like experience in these emotional scenes, in a way that, you know, can be difficult, but I trust them.

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Lucas Brewer

And so that groundedness me that says this is all very art and allows for clients to connect with salt in wide. I would never have thought possible.

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Cherie Lindberg

I completely agree. Thank you for bringing some words to something that is difficult to explain. Both of you more and more as I'm doing these podcasts and I'm connecting with healers all over the world, it's very clear to me, and this isn't a negativity, this is just an understanding or something that I'm observing is that, you know, I know we need to start somewhere, but there's a huge disconnect between academia and what actually heals people in our offices, right?

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Cherie Lindberg

And there's a movement away from the body in academia. And really what's happening for people to truly heal from trauma is going further into their bodies. And so that that disconnect is a very interesting thing to observe, especially when we are understanding neuroscience and how the body and the brain connect and how they process. And it's developmental. And so I just find it very fascinating to watch and listen to all these gifted practitioners that I'm interviewing, you know, talking about how a lot of times we're like, like, don't tell anybody what's happening in the in the room.

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Cherie Lindberg

And really this is the stuff that's like healing people. And I really loved I know it's a Rumi poem about like, we're just walking each other. Hon, I really love that because I feel like this is soul work great, that we're all we're all doing in one way or another and helping people really connect with who they really are versus how society conditioned them to say, This is how you should be versus us letting us discover who we are, you know, who we really are.

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Cherie Lindberg

So you know, just thank you for the work that you do. We need as many people out there holding the space for folks, you know, that are lost and needing a place to feel validated and held so that they can discover.

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Erin Brewer

Who they really.

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Cherie Lindberg

Are. Is there anything more as we get ready to wrap up here that you would want to share with maybe our listeners that I haven't asked you anything that's coming up inside of you that you think would be good to share. And I'll start with you, Erin, and then we'll check in. Matthew Lucas, anything that your that's coming up inside of you about you would really want our listeners to hear?

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Erin Brewer

Yeah. I think in terms of the somatic therapy work, our bodies have innate wisdom. They are such strong guides for us and unfortunately where we are at in this country in terms of health care and healing, it's a very narcissistic system. You have to really work very hard in making sure that your needs are met on your healing journey, because unfortunately, the country, the systems that are in place are just not set up for that.

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Erin Brewer

And so I just want to say, don't stop there on some level. If you know things to be a truth or you're noticing that you're not being heard and you're recognizing where your needs are not being met on your healing journey, I want to say just stay persistent. Try to work on being your best advocate because eventually you will find resources.

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Erin Brewer

You'll find spaces that are geared towards really hearing you and listening and supporting you. So much of our healing and our wellness. Unfortunately, right now in this country, you have to sort of go down a dusty dirt road to find it, but it is there and all of us are doing it. I know Sheree, you're fighting the good fight and I really appreciate all the work that you're doing and, you know, just trying to, you know, get the word out and trying to really help teach and empower.

00;31;17;27 - 00;31;42;29

Erin Brewer

And there are little pockets and little communities. And luckily now with social media, it's a little bit easier to find. But even still, like in our area, you know, healing is antiquated, antiquated in the sense that it's anchored and hubris. And so we absolutely just need to you just want to be your best advocate and don't give up if for whatever reason, whomever you're working with.

00;31;42;29 - 00;32;04;21

Erin Brewer

I regardless of education, they are not holding space for you and hearing you go on to the next line. I think it's so important now for health and healing and for everybody. So you just have to you have to trust and keep going. And this is such a really powerful guy. This is just such a beautiful spiritual thing that we can work with that'll that'll help us.

00;32;04;23 - 00;32;27;17

Cherie Lindberg

So, yeah, I think thank you for that. I think that is very true. Our systems, the way the medical system is, is educated and the way that it's set up. It's not set up for attunement, it's not set up to really fully hear everything. It's like, I've got 15 minutes, what do you need? And then I've got to move on to the next patient, which is very unfortunate.

00;32;27;19 - 00;32;51;11

Erin Brewer

In its way of therapists, counselors, And, you know, it's important for people to amass. They need to amass a team in the in you know, in a really of practitioners that have your best interests in mind that are willing to listen and to it to that space. That's where the healing out. We have such a relational component involved with healing and we're we're missing that right now on this.

00;32;51;14 - 00;32;56;20

Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, Thank you for that. Is there anything that you would like to share as we're wrapping up here?

00;32;56;21 - 00;33;34;11

Lucas Brewer

Lucas Yeah, I do the same thing. I always tell people just to slow down and just to be present, you know, and try to look at things from that perspective, things happening in time. You know, I always talk, Lawrence, about like if your focused on a goal, very often you're this tunnel vision where you're walking down a hallway and you see the goal at the end of the hallway when as you're walking down the hallway, possibly other doors that you're not seeing because you're so focused, you slow down and just really purposely take each step forward.

00;33;34;12 - 00;34;02;20

Lucas Brewer

You can out a much broader range. So that's why I always tell people, you know, the slower you go that that's true. You know, so just slow down. Understand what I'm saying about real place of urgency and power, choice and give yourself permission to like explore options if that doesn't feel great so that, you know, you're like, if I don't figure this thing out, nothing's going to change.

00;34;02;20 - 00;34;22;18

Lucas Brewer

That's not an all out words, you know, I'll figure something out. Normally it means that you're, you know, pushing too hard and it's not time. So if you slow down and look around and you're like, how does my body, you know, where am I headed? One of my options very often that know, like our choice, it's a lot bigger.

00;34;22;20 - 00;34;52;19

Lucas Brewer

And then we get to race faster and sort of like that whole elaborate moment right in the beginning of the elaborates once when she's talking to the water and sludge. Don't go that way. Oh, this way, it's a lot safer. And she's like, thanks. And she leaves and she's walking in this long labyrinth and the worms that she had gone that way, he would have gone straight to that asshole, which is what her goal was in the first 88.

00;34;52;22 - 00;35;04;09

Lucas Brewer

Once you're look here, that option was not deeper. So very often that basic here is where the healing is. So you have to look.

00;35;04;12 - 00;35;29;04

Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, I would I would piggyback on that with you both being poly Daigle and formed healers as well in that when we're in sympathetic dominance, we're not going to learn as much as when we're in the parasympathetic as well in our society right now is very much in sympathetic dominance. Go, go, go, you know, constantly and fight, fight or free states in the body.

00;35;29;04 - 00;35;55;05

Cherie Lindberg

And that actually perpetuate the dysfunction or it's not healing. So it's when we can slow down and really get in there and get into parasympathetic, which is our rest and our digest that we we start to be able to see things maybe we didn't see and to heal. So I want to thank you both for joining us and sharing your wisdom and sharing about your practice.

00;35;55;08 - 00;36;16;17

Cherie Lindberg

And we will have all your social media enacted to the links on the podcast. If you're interested in finding out more about what Erin and Lucas do in their Earthworks healing arts space. And so it is. Thank you both and continuing to do this beautiful work that you're doing. I appreciate it very much.

00;36;16;20 - 00;36;18;02

Erin Brewer

Thank you.

00;36;18;05 - 00;36;18;10

Lucas Brewer

For.

00;36;18;10 - 00;36;21;00

Erin Brewer

Having us and thank you for your work. Well.

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