76: Mariya Javed-Payne: Bridging Science, Spirit, & Trauma: A Journey Through Identity, Healing, and Consciousness

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Cherie Lindberg

Hi, I'm Cherie and welcome to Elevated Life Academy, where we share real stories of healing, hope, and transformation. Tune in to hear how everyday people are rising above and lighting the way for others. Hi everybody! Welcome to another episode of Elevated Life Academy and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg. And we have Marie with us today. In just a moment, I'm going to invite her to introduce herself.

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Cherie Lindberg

And we just decided that we are going to the deep end of the pool today. We are going to have conversations of depth. So say it tuned and let's see where that takes us. So welcome, Mariya All right. Thanks for having me. You are so welcome. I've been wanting to have a conversation with you for a long time, so I'm excited that we finally got you on here.

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Cherie Lindberg

Tell our listeners, a little bit about you, and then let's see where we go.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So my name is Mariya Javed-Payne. I am a multimodal practitioner based in the intersections of trauma therapy and brain spotting, plant medicine, psychedelic medicines and ancestral healing, shamanic healing, and intuitive, intuitive healing work. I also operate within all of that from a really decolonial and kinship based practice and approach to life. I would consider myself an animus and spend a lot of my time swimming in the deep end of the pool and learning what that means.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Early life kind of threw me in there, so I've been passionate about learning about different healing approaches from all over the world and observing from different perspectives the mechanism and or frequency of what it means to heal, and learning about that from a body perspective, a somatic perspective, a spiritual perspective, and a perspective of the psyche, and really understanding the terrain of the psyche as well.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So yeah, I do. I teach phase one, phase two brain spotting trainings internationally. I have some other workshops that I do related to ancestral healing and psychedelic work. I'm a breathwork practitioner and I do a blend of things, but my main goal in every space that I get a chance to host or be entrusted with, is to really see people in the fullness of who they are and work with work with that.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And so I appreciate modalities and ways of relating to one another that cut through the fluff and cut through what's unconscious, and helping people to become more and more conscious, aware and on their path to growth.

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Cherie Lindberg

So there was a lot there. So let's unpack a little bit. How did you come to this like in your I'm, I'm sure you had your, your own journey. So talk a little bit about, you know, how you've come to these understandings of the work that you're here to do on Earth.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah, I think like many of us, we might have a, a difficult, you know, difficult path or a seismic event that might happen in our lives. Mine wasn't like one event, but it was about a decade of active addiction. So my story is I'm originally from India. My story is one of coming from a family of immigrants. So a first generation.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

I moved to the United States when I was six. Before that, I lived in India, France and Brazil. So I moved around quite a bit to several different continents even. And I came from a muslim family from northern India. And that process of transition into the culture here, you know, Western culture, year centric culture was really, really Trump timing.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

To be frank. I didn't know that then. That's only really come into my language and awareness to be able to frame it or name it like that in the last maybe, you know, ten years. But that's separation of you and your people, your the land that your body comes from, your blood, you know, comes from. And watching your parents navigate systems, racism, poverty, governmental things and work systems while trying to raise, you know, to do children learn the language, learn how to how a credit card works or how to drive a car, you know, in their late like 30s and 40 is pretty difficult.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And I absorbed a lot of that, you know, so I carried a lot of grief. I think that my parents weren't able to be with or knew how to, among other things, and kind of one of those over responsible type of people in case there's folks listening who are into astrology and or Capricorn stellium in a Taurus Rising, so I can hold a lot and I by the time I, you know, got to age 13, my cup was runneth over.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

You know, like, I didn't have any more space in my nervous system, nor did I have the, you know, relational support or tools. And so I navigated into drugs and that was like gasoline and a match. And I was one of those people where I went 0 to 120, like quick, you know, and I think, you know, by age 15 I was starting cocaine, and by age 17, 16, 17, I was injecting drugs.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And that lasted until I was about 21. So that dark realm, really, that was my first experience really entering that. And, you know, looking at it now from a soul perspective, it was quite a teaching. You know, it was an internship, if you want to call it that. So a lot of my work now is being able to sit very comfortably in dark and light spaces and actually seeing that they're connected.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So yeah, eight years of, you know, every, every horrific thing you can think of that happens. And, you know, high level of addiction and abuse happened. And it's, you know, loved ones dying and overdoses and yeah, all of the things. So I'm grateful to be alive. And then when I got sober at age 20, each 20 almost 21, I, I woke up, you know, so to speak.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And I was willing to do whatever it took at that point to put my life back together. And I when I, you know, so-called woke up, it's like coming out of a big fog because you've been you've been gone from your own body for almost ten years and then some. You know, you're not that I was so embodied beforehand.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

I had had from my drug use in: 2009

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So that's led to the next 16 years of my life in sobriety, managing multiple chronic illnesses that have, you know, in a lot of ways, sidelined a lot of a lot of my creativity and lightness. And then the and then still having the the grit and the drive to be, you know, really purpose driven and building what my heart and soul is, you know, carrying out, needing to carry out.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And I was a lifetime. So that's a short story version. A lot of the background. And I guess what I'll say is that when you're really unwell and you've been unwell most of your life, mentally, physically, psychically, you have the option to like, stay and give up and try to find everything you can to get. And that is what's led me to having the multimodal again.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

It's an internship, you know, on a soul level. It's an internship being nudged into different types of healing paths to heal myself, frankly, and then turning that into something that can be reciprocal and about giving and receiving to and being of service to those that are, you know, in your orbit. So yeah, that that's what has led me here.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Well, I hear that. And I also hear that you're still on the journey, just like all of us are. Forever and, yeah, forever. And that you're taking what you've learned for your own healing so that other people can walk in your footsteps and you're supporting them to be able to do their own healing.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

I think that is the way of many people who work with their own wounds. And then to do that cleanly, you know? So that's a great, really big responsibility. And that's why it's continuous healing. You never arrive. I used to wander, you know, I used to think at some point, oh yeah, in that way a lot of time go.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

But there was a point in time where I, you know, the suffering is so much like I just want it to be over. Yeah. And now there's more space. So it's like, yeah, you can be on a journey and. Yeah, yeah.

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Cherie Lindberg

So let's, let's talk about this light and darkness because as healers, I mean that is we, we need to learn how to hold both of those. And I think our ability to attune and be grounded while in both our really important because people will borrow our central nervous system to go places that maybe they normally couldn't go. So your thoughts on that, you know, being able to hold the light and the darkness?

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah, absolutely. I think that, oh, there's just so much I could say about it, trying to find an inroad right now. The main impetus I think I have in in the work that I offer and spaces and containers that I make is a belief that both, you know, both sides exist and it's a complicated topic, you know, to talk about light, light and dark, but it's a polarity, you know, and coming from the frame also of non-attachment, you know, unconditional love and sovereignty.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So those are the like some of the basic principles that I operate from and moving out of judgment, moving out of fear, moving out of rejection. You know, so I see a lot of a lot of spaces that bypass and can't get to the root balls of things that people might be, you know, disconnected from in themselves and even like the word dark and light.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

You know, I'm little hesitant about even just the phrasing because I know we have connotations around that. And it might activate things related to religion and, you know, organized, you know, historically organized ways of thinking about about dark and light. I mean, to talk about it from a more neutral, neutral connotation. But, you know, we believe I believe we have we all have light and dark, you know, aspects of us.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And that that's part of being here in the school of Earth, which is a teaching planet, you know. So I believe there is a contract with Earth, with darkness and lightness and nature, who is a master teacher. And so we come here to to learn. We come here to grow. Some darkness is necessary, you know, for that learning.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So I really try to teach it and model that from a place of neutrality as best as we can, and giving folks, you know, the courage to be able to look at themselves and still gaze at them with the eyes of love, you know, when they're in those parts of themselves or afraid to touch those parts of themselves.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So I think that rambling a bit, but.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, I'm I'm following you. I hope our listeners are I mean, another way of describing it. And again, I agree with you that we got to be careful because we got this Western culture that has certain language or like you said, religious purposes. Some people might see it that way, but you, you know, being as neutral as possible, you're talking about, you know, aspects of ourselves that may be, you know, that are suffering, that whole pain that held the traumas, the shadow part of ourselves that learned to protect ourselves and adapt, but not in a healthy way.

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Cherie Lindberg

I mean, those are just some other languages that I'm hearing.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah. It's like healing the ego, you know, not saying egos or dark necessarily, but the ego part of us is less conscious. So perhaps that's one other way to describe.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, and that can lead us. And again, this is where the nonjudgmental comes from. When you go really deep into the roots, I think people get shocked and surprised what's in there, especially when the lineage starts to come forward and the work of, you know, like Thomas Hubble, what, you know, what he's doing. And then the ancestors start to come.

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Cherie Lindberg

So can you talk a little bit about about that, whatever you're comfortable sharing?

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah. So working at the depth level, you know, deep root work means, you know, root literally going to go into addressing intergenerational and ancestral and collective consciousness patterns even. And that's a big part of my work is helping not just those that are here in the physical and the human human realm, but also helping those that are on the other side and our calling on our ways and, well, ancestors to support the work that we're doing.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So ancestral healing is ancestral worship or reverence has been a part of a part of us since time immemorial. And in the West, it's forgotten, and I think it's contributing to a lot of the suffering that.

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Cherie Lindberg

I.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

See people have in my office and I and my, you know, workshops and, and groups and spaces. And yet there's no container or context, you know, to even talk about that or understand it like that. We come in the US anyway from this, this belief system of individualism and self. And, you know, I come from a collective culture.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So to me, I've definitely been disconnected from my ancestors and my relatives, which has been excruciating for me. And so while I haven't had, you know, been able to keep that connection with them because of living here, I have never forgot. I've never not felt that. And I think for a lot of European and Western, you know, cultures, it's more forgotten.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So big part of this timeline that we're in right now, this massive, you know, I feel massive shift that is happening. People are in droves really seeking a lot more healing than I've ever seen, which is great. There's also, you know, a lot of suffering, and we're aware of that suffering. And when our ancestors are not, well, you know, when they're not well, when they when they pass on and there isn't a sense of completion at some level that that is going to have some kind of dissonance in that are living.

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Cherie Lindberg

So it's in the field.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Totally. Yeah. It's in the field. I see it as like braids, you know, and we're braided through our lineage with all four of the bloodlines going all the way to the, you know, the stones and the rocks and the minerals, which is our oldest ancestors have become part of Earth again. And so there's strong, strong, strong cords that just our a part of being a human being connected to those lineages.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And when there's harm, when there's war, when there is trauma, when there's, you know, relational rupture, unless that's completed or brought to some form of resolution, we are carrying that and at some level in our bodies.

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Cherie Lindberg

And then we repeat it.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And then we repeat it because it's going to seeking healing and seeking that completion. So for me, all work is ancestral work. I don't even see like someone coming in with individual, you know, for individual therapy or individual session. I don't see that as that. It's like they come in and their ancestors are coming in and like the whole family comes in and we work at it.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

But all work is actually ancestral work. We need to remember that frame, though. Yeah, there's many things that we can start to do to remember again. And it's not just remembering like the hard stuff, it's this is where you also get your resources, like the gifts that are in your bloodline that you get to. You get to access those too.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And I'm a believer that people change even after they're gone. You know, it's like death does not mean person stays static. So healing can still be done between between realms. I've, you know, been a privileged participant in a lot of that kind of healing. So I think we're in a time of great remembering, and our ancestors are supporting many of our ancestors are, and many of them also need help.

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Cherie Lindberg

Right? I'm just having a lot of visuals as you're as you're talking, some trying to figure out what would be the next line of questioning. What do you see? Well, I'm I'm seeing souls. I'm seeing a bunch of souls around a client. Like when you say they're coming into the office, I'm seeing, you know, all the different souls that have impacted them.

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Cherie Lindberg

And I'm thinking about in particular, I've worked with clients where during that process, they start to realize their depression is not their depression like the depression that they're carrying. They realize mom had it. Grandma had it. Great grandmother and great great grandmother had it. And when they start to be able to access that and clear that kind of imprint with inside their body, how the freedom, the healing, you know, that can happen.

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Cherie Lindberg

And as that happens for them, that can also happen in the generational line.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah. Yeah.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yes. So talk about some of the methods that you use to be able to do some of that work.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

With say it's a mix. So when we have like a five day ancestral healing workshop, we do a blend of things that are in the physical realm. So like honoring practices of the land that we're on and calling in the wise and the well hooks that are interested in supporting. And that work starts months, months prior to the actual container.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

First thing that I have folks do is make a mandala. We make it together on the first day, and you're bringing bringing something, a natural item that represents one of all four of your bloodlines. And we we've that. So we, we've that into a mandala. And this is coming from some of Daniel Four's work from ancestral medicine. And I cannot tell you like how charged that.

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Cherie Lindberg

I can imagine.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

40 different bloodlines choosing to be together, you know, in that space. And each one always looks different, how it gets created. And there's always like messages in that. So it remains as a like an altar or a place of remembrance throughout the week. And then when we're actually doing the work, it's shamanic, it's mediumship, it's brain spotting, it's body oriented and, you know, things start to show up.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So it's like teaching teaching like both like how to do the healing work for yourself, but also teaching you how to carry that work forward. It can look like attachment work. It can look like really like drama therapy in a way. So think, you know, family Constellations a bit. It's blend of things over the years have kind of put together, but being able to communicate with ancestors and support.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So even doing things like what we call compassionate deposition, which is some of Betsy Bergstrom work, and that's helping any attachments that might be connected to somebody unknowingly or without consent, and clearing that out and supporting, supporting the, you know, the attached being as well to get the care that they need and go where they need to go.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

So, you know, psychopomp, deposition, mediumship, extractive type work, work primarily, which is what I've been doing for about 16 years. So it's a blend of things. And, you know, you and I are both brain spotting trainers. We know to the power of brain spotting and how brain spotting gives us access to these can give us access to these other realms, because we're going into the deeper parts of the psyche where connections are, you know, not only to the parts of our own beings, but simultaneously out there brain spotting with the eye positions to access lineage, access gifts, access burdens, doing group, you know, a group brain spotting together to charge that up.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah.

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Cherie Lindberg

There's it's a portal. The brain spots a portal into all of that. It's just a matter of how open our systems are to accessing. Yeah, no. And I'm hearing you say, you know, you're going with what is emerging in the moment. Yeah. And then you're following that, which is what we talk about in brains bonding to, you know, following in the tail of the comet.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Yeah. It's pretty interesting. The frame shapes itself, you know. Yes, yes. As people gather in themes, you know, themes come to light. And I'm also really a big believer in group work and group healing. Our wounds are relational primarily. And so they're going to heal, you know, in relationship. And and for the longest time, I felt like an outsider.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And because of being an immigrant and lots of other things. But I, I find that group work is high risk and high reward. So the future, I think, is going to be collective dealing as a collective. And we don't have time to do that one on one, you know.

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Cherie Lindberg

Because there's so many suffering and so many in need. Yeah, yeah.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And it's a return to the communal, the return to to recognizing that we are never designed to be separate from tribe and community.

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Cherie Lindberg

I mean, talking about how our system is wired. Right? We are neurobiological, wired for connection, but we've mocked it up because of, you know, just our our own projections, our own wounds and betrayals. And, you know, my hope for the earth is at some point, instead of learning through pain, we can learn through joy. That would be really nice to have some learning through joy instead of all this pain stuff that's going on.

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Cherie Lindberg

Right.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

I would like to nurture that seed. Yeah, that'd be nice.

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Cherie Lindberg

But you know, there's a reason why we have to revisit the pain. There's some there's something going on collectively that we're not getting the message. So is there anything more that I haven't asked you that you think would be good for our, our listeners to know on this deep depth conversation that we're having?

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Mariya Javed-Payne

Don't be afraid of your own depth. Yeah, that's what I'm learning. My own depth used to frighten me. It still does, actually. And it's a it's a level of sensitivity that's actually quite difficult to manage in a body. So that's a learning process for me. But the gifts have been immense. You know, the ability to be really rooted and in, you know, sky and earth, it's like really powerful.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

And so we're not often given space to explore our deepest selves.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, I would I would agree with you. That is where the beautiful gifts come from. I think to truly be free, to really look and be authentic with what is coming, to not have any judgment and just have, you know, the collective be able to hold the space and let what needs to emerge is a beautiful thing.

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Mariya Javed-Payne

That's my invitation is to give yourself permission to explore deeper place inside.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, thank you. Thank you for coming on here and sharing. And we'll make sure that all your stuff is in our show notes so that people can reach you and and get to know you, because there's lots of wonderful services that you offer. So thanks for coming and sharing today.

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Cherie Lindberg

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Cherie Lindberg

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